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enchanted_joker · Aug 18, 2007, 12:10 AM // 00:10

Can you please explain what this topic is doing on the forum? This forum is for guildwarsfans who talk and discuss with eachother about the game. That is two way traffic, and i can see only one way here.
You only quote your blind 'followers' and a bunch of people with a temper who react impulsive.
You totally ignore all the good replies from people who don't share your view.

If you want a change, send a ticked to a-net. If you wan't a discussion, please break down that inpenetrable firewall of yours, so there can be a healty discussion.
If you want attention, go outside and meet some people, so much forum posting (read: using the computer) isnt healthy for your social life.

Curse You · Aug 18, 2007, 12:17 AM // 00:17

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Originally Posted by moonmonday

While I agree that we don't need to worry about kids while playing a game that's clearly been rated for teens and above (who see things much more revealing), that still really dismisses the fact that there is not really all that much selection for a female character in certain professions who doesn't want to parade around in next to nothing. So many of the male armors are all-covering, so exactly why is it that so many of the female ones are so skimpy, hmm?

All I'm saying is that I'd like a little variety and a little finery on both sides. If the human body's a great thing -- which I agree, it is -- why cover it up for men, and not for women?

I don't like double-standards much, that's all. And, well, I'd like to see some nice hot male armor instead of all the puritanical nonsense.

They show male character's nipples. I think that right there should end your "equal rights" babble.

Also, the male paragon armour. Need I say more?

populationcontrol · Aug 18, 2007, 02:16 AM // 02:16

look the game is in fact rated +18 for the alcohol consumtion feature. and as to your point that you dont make your elementalist dance because her boobs move is quite silly. when women dance there breasts obviously have to move, would you have your characters boobs defy gravity... no they most remain in motion to be more realistic. there is armor that covers females entirely and you should desist trying to enforce your old lady ways on all of us. strippers contribute a lot to society you know.

MithranArkanere · Aug 18, 2007, 02:20 AM // 02:20

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Originally Posted by moonmonday

While I agree that we don't need to worry about kids while playing a game that's clearly been rated for teens and above (who see things much more revealing), that still really dismisses the fact that there is not really all that much selection for a female character in certain professions who doesn't want to parade around in next to nothing. So many of the male armors are all-covering, so exactly why is it that so many of the female ones are so skimpy, hmm?

All I'm saying is that I'd like a little variety and a little finery on both sides. If the human body's a great thing -- which I agree, it is -- why cover it up for men, and not for women?

I don't like double-standards much, that's all. And, well, I'd like to see some nice hot male armor instead of all the puritanical nonsense.

Honestly, I don't see why so many people apparently have a problem with wanting a little more variety to the armor. All I'm seeing here is this:

Person 1: I want more variety, I'm tired of running around in lingerie!
Person 2: NO WAI U SUCK
Person 3: I'd like more too!
Person 4: LOL NO VARIETY 4 U
Person 5: THINK OF THE CHILDREN

Personally I'd just like a sensible compromise on this and let us agree that it would be nice to have some more variety in armor styles, especially since there is so much of certain kinds already. I don't see exactly what is so outrageous about wanting a little more variety and a little more to choose from.

You forget:
Person 6: Quit the nonsense, what you as is already in the game.

There is no lingerie armor in the whole game. A couple of bikinis, maybe, but what are the players supposed to wear in maguuma tropical jungle? Norn fur armor?

You look like FORCED to wear the more revealing gear.
Look the galleries. Barely 5% of the female armor is what you claim it to be.
You ask about 'alternatives'?
THERE ARE ALTERNATIVES for all professions.
SEE THEM:
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Armor
USE THEM.

Now, stop wallowing. You know you are not right.

Undivine · Aug 18, 2007, 04:53 AM // 04:53

I have a different dispute with the whole overly-flashy armour thing; authenticity. I understand this is a fantasy game, but there are porno fantasies and then there's "other." I like the fantasy genre to be rich, deep, and authentic; not a bunch of blond girl-next-doors running around barefoot doing cute poses while fighting evil. It's like I'm watching hentai! I've always found the clothing on the females, among other this like this, take me out of the game. It's like when you watch a movie and in the middle of an important scene you see the actors start promoting a brand name, and suddenly you're thinking about how this is a Hollywood movie, not an epic battle between protagonist and antagonist.

There's a time for me to drool over naked woman (or celebrate the human body, if you prefer to put it more elegantly) and there's a time for me to play video games. If they had made practical armour for all the women right from the very beginning, it wouldn't have made a lick of difference for their sales, the success of Guild Wars, or the enjoyment of the game, except nobody would complain about people being too scantily clad. To think that having conservative clothes in the game would turn off male gamers is really under-appreciating your game.

My wife had to wait until Nightfall to get armour for her ele that didn't look like a joke (Ancient Armour). Now her ele looks like she's actually going into battle. That made her feel better about playing this game and gave her more attachment to her character. She couldn't empathize with her character, dressed like a tramp. I can understand that. My male ritualist had kinda revealing armour for a long time and I hated it. When I got him some nice armour I started playing him a lot more and grew to appreciate him (as a character, not just as a build). When GW:EN comes out, neither my wife nor I will be able to take that Norn chick seriously.

Those of you who belittle this complaint by saying it's nothing more than pixels, that's hardly a valid observation. It should be bloody obvious that those pixels make an image and that image has meaning. If you understand that, which any sentient being should, then I don't understand why you would say it's nothing more. A professor's 48-page essay is months of laborious research to him, but in truth it's only 67KB of data on a magnetic platter in his computer. That doesn't mean it's meaningless. Besides, if it's really just pixels then it doesn't matter if the OP gets her way or not.

4ssassin · Aug 18, 2007, 04:57 AM // 04:57

Heh. Can someone please explain to me while gnome isnt offended by the fact that you can slaughter thousands of humans and animals, as well as get totally wasted in this game, but is offended by...what is bascially bathing suits?

Reminds me of the GTA hot coffee scandel. No one even blinked at the fact taht you could kill hookers, old ladies, old men, and innocents by the thousands, commit robbery, grand theft auto, as well as vehicular manslaughter, but show vanilla sex between two consenting adults in an M rated game and suddenly you've gone too far?

Lol...the irony!!! Your playing a game that is basically about killing, murdering, slaughtering your enemies with giant weapons and massive spells, but you cant deal with a bit of skimpy armor?

Gee, dont ever play Everquest...or WoW...or KoTor...or basically 95% of T or M rated games on the market.

DarkGanni · Aug 18, 2007, 05:21 AM // 05:21

I'll Be straight on this, It's just a game. Deal with it and if you don't like the armors play another game *period*

- Ganni

«Ripskin · Aug 18, 2007, 06:03 AM // 06:03

I'm reading through this thread and chuckling every now and then. I agree and disagree with you on a lot of subjects.
I agree that there needs to be more armor that are covering, my eles istani armor (I think that's what it is) is basically two 1 foot wide blankets and a bra.

Now what I don't agree with you on is how you're using your female state to your advantage. In the first page (all I could stand reading) someone said cry moar. This is a term from chans, (4chan.org for example-nsfw) and is used for anyone/thing. They don't know if you're a girl or boy, they're don't care.

You said 'My crying is depicted to make me weaker' Paraphrasing a bit, but that's basically what you said.

LoL

I don't recall seeing any sort of gender/sex bonus in guild wars. Are you serious?
"Or is this just a sexist statement because women are known to show emotion more often then men? You may be okay with the armor and that's just fine...but I'm not okay with it and I have the right to post an objection or idea about what can be done about it"
Okay, that's directly quoted.

No, it's not a sexist statement, don't take it as one, as explained above. And that's just it, you really have no way of dealing with it. Sure you can post an objection like this one, but you're really not going to get anywhere with your "I'm a girl, everythings sexist" way of thinking.

Sorry if I'm harsh, but it's my beliefs.

greenreaper3 · Aug 18, 2007, 06:18 AM // 06:18

i TOTALLY agree...the armor is to showy indeed... i cant decide on my ele cause males have no good hairs or faces...while females are to "showy" and no good skin colors.. they are so fun, but they need to work on the looks and armor

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Originally Posted by populationcontrol

strippers contribute a lot to society

they do o.O

since when

«Ripskin · Aug 18, 2007, 06:24 AM // 06:24

They help the fight to cure the world of E.D.

«Ripskin · Aug 18, 2007, 07:18 AM // 07:18

Wow I'm good at killing threads.

Curse You · Aug 18, 2007, 08:10 AM // 08:10

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Originally Posted by Undivine

I like the fantasy genre to be rich, deep, and authentic; not a bunch of blond girl-next-doors running around barefoot doing cute poses while fighting evil.

I'm sorry, but I think you just defined fantasy. It's all about things that are totally illogical, i.e. women in bikinis killing dragons. Nice contradiction.

What you're saying is like saying, "I like Sci-Fi, but I don't want it to be about stuff we can't do today."

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Originally Posted by «Ripskin

Wow I'm good at killing threads.

If people read my posts more, threads would stop sooner.

Sven788 · Aug 18, 2007, 09:51 AM // 09:51

I agree, and Yes I'm a guy.
No I'm not gay, the armors are a little to much slutty.
If they are going to do someting about it, can't they make the Paragon armor also less gay, I find it very annoying to wear armor as a male charr that looks female.

LONGA · Aug 18, 2007, 10:09 AM // 10:09

If A-net got a make your armor contest I'm sure many people in this thread gonna win ,eh

I think the armor choice is good enough.My Ritualist armor (Excotic) do show nipple on the male but covered up alll the chest on female.Artist could probably have to send multiple variants before the work qualified.

draxynnic · Aug 18, 2007, 11:00 AM // 11:00

Peoples,

This isn't a question about morals or censorship. They may be hanging around the edges, but it's a distraction from the real issue. It's a question about choice.

As people have said, there are girls in real life who do wear some pretty risque outfits. That's their choice. There are others, however, who choose to dress more conservatively. Again, that's their choice.

The problem, at the moment, is that there is no choice. With the Istani and Sunspear female Elementalist sets, it took me about a month before I could even pick the difference between one set of strategically-wrapped scarves and another. There's nothing wrong with having the choice to have a scantily-dressed character - but a player who would prefer not to have a scantily-dressed character should also have that choice - without having to avoid particular professions and/or campaigns to do so.

At the moment, anyone who only has Nightfall who wishes to play an Elementalist doesn't have that choice. Until they get to the Bone Palace - which is in the final stages of the campaign - they have no choice - and that's assuming they can afford to get the armour as soon as they get there, and if not, it'll take longer. That is something I consider to be a problem.

And it's not a problem that I see as requiring much effort to surmount. All they need to do is make the Tyrian sets available early on. While I can't say I'm intimately familiar with how the armour crafters are programmed, I daresay that it wouldn't require too much effort to take one or more already existing armour designs and make them available from new crafters.

To make some specific comments:
1) The Spartans did wear armour - fairly heavy for the day, in fact - even if some of the artwork (and movies like 300) might lead you to believe otherwise. Fighting nude had been done in earlier times, but there was armour even in the Trojan wars - it is, for instance, how Patroclus managed to get himself killed while passing himself off as Achilles.

2) R!ghteous, you've made a list of "Amish" armours. The problem is that there are some professions, in some campaigns, where none of the armours on that list are available until near the end of the campaign. Any armour in a different campaign to that the character started in, and any elite area, is going to require completing the starting area before it becomes accessible. If it's an 'elite' armour, there's also the question of paying for it - not a trivial concern for a starting player. So, on your question at the top of page 7 of "how many more would satisfy you", the answer is... zero. Take some of those EXISTING low-priced armours and make it accessible to starting characters in campaigns which currently don't have one of those armours available to starting characters is all we ask.

3) On people talking about using client-side game modifiers like "textmod" - isn't that a) against the EULA, and b) strongly advised against due to the risk of picking up a Trojan?

4)

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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

You look like FORCED to wear the more revealing gear.

Female elementalists in Nightfall ARE. Until they get to Consular Docks if they have other campaigns - until they get to (and can afford) the elite armour options if they don't. There are NO other choices until then.

Durin_Kane · Aug 18, 2007, 11:02 AM // 11:02

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Originally Posted by DarkGanni

I'll Be straight on this, It's just a game. Deal with it and if you don't like the armors play another game *period*

- Ganni

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DreamRunner · Aug 18, 2007, 11:32 AM // 11:32

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Originally Posted by «Ripskin

I'm reading through this thread and chuckling every now and then. I agree and disagree with you on a lot of subjects.
I agree that there needs to be more armor that are covering, my eles istani armor (I think that's what it is) is basically two 1 foot wide blankets and a bra.

Now what I don't agree with you on is how you're using your female state to your advantage. In the first page (all I could stand reading) someone said cry moar. This is a term from chans, (4chan.org for example-nsfw) and is used for anyone/thing. They don't know if you're a girl or boy, they're don't care.

You said 'My crying is depicted to make me weaker' Paraphrasing a bit, but that's basically what you said.

LoL

I don't recall seeing any sort of gender/sex bonus in guild wars. Are you serious?
"Or is this just a sexist statement because women are known to show emotion more often then men? You may be okay with the armor and that's just fine...but I'm not okay with it and I have the right to post an objection or idea about what can be done about it"
Okay, that's directly quoted.

No, it's not a sexist statement, don't take it as one, as explained above. And that's just it, you really have no way of dealing with it. Sure you can post an objection like this one, but you're really not going to get anywhere with your "I'm a girl, everythings sexist" way of thinking.

Sorry if I'm harsh, but it's my beliefs.

First, rules 1 and 2. Second I like your guild name. Third, I think what you said, had to be said. I hate to generalize, but I'm seeing more and more of this way of thinking in a lot of women I know. I think its sad and stupid in the way because its done, mostly seen done by the media that feeds it into the public.

Obey The Cat · Aug 18, 2007, 12:16 PM // 12:16

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Originally Posted by B E A S T

Sex sells and the majority of people playing GW are men...nuff said.

ftw!

i dont know any fantasy game/movie where females are NOT sexy. sorry. change your game.

«Ripskin · Aug 18, 2007, 02:47 PM // 14:47

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Originally Posted by DreamRunner

First, rules 1 and 2. Second I like your guild name. Third, I think what you said, had to be said. I hate to generalize, but I'm seeing more and more of this way of thinking in a lot of women I know. I think its sad and stupid in the way because its done, mostly seen done by the media that feeds it into the public.

...Rules 1 and 2? I've never really looked at those rules. brb.

Vickie · Aug 18, 2007, 02:55 PM // 14:55

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Originally Posted by Seppi

I'm going to sign this for a wider range of clothing rather than focusing future armor toward 1 end of the spectrum.

Therefore...

/Signed for more armor ranging from underwear garments to a full blown astronaut suit.

Subnote: Jora's armor can be upgraded with hero armor. Most likely there will be a fully covered version of her armor.

I don't see the point to arguing against diversity, considering Anet will diversify anyway.

Completely agree with Seppi. I enjoy a variety of armour. My Warrior, in fact, has both Elite Glad and Elite Canthan. I wear different sets depending on my mood. I'm female and a feminist (for equal rights and equal opportunity), btw, if that matters.

For the lot who desire modest armour but think the current available choices are "ewww", I think they're just a little too greedy.